outcome is not to raise taxes on anybody. i do think that if the president has his way and those taxes go up on investors and businesses, it's hard to see where the jobs are going to come from next year. as you know, we still have over 20 million people without a full-time job. so i think getting around this crisis in a way where everybody agrees not to raise taxes on anybody, we go into 2013, maybe that could be the year. and, boy, what a great christmas present this would be, if we actually throw out the tax system and start over. i mean, this is my, this is my new year's wish, that we could junk this tax system, get something that's pro-growth, that creates jobs for every american who wants a job. rick: so on a scale of 1-10, how optimistic are you that we're going to yet a deal like that in. >> oh, i think we will get a deal. it could take a while. you and i could be talking on christmas eve, but i think they will get a deal, and i've got my fingers crossed that taxes don't go up on anyone. rick: steve moore, enjoy the holiday with your wife and three sons. nice to talk to you. heathe